wasn't the first george bush the head of the c.i.a.? >> nobody ever called george bush a thug. >> maybe that's the point. by the way, i don't know anything that putin has done thuggish. >> rose: really? >> he just has a terrific wit. personally. what has he done? >> rose: well, i don't know. >> has he killed anybody? >> rose: well, a lot of journalists have had a hard time in russia. you might argue that the head of russia would be relentless in making sure that that was not circumstances that he would find acceptable in russia. political opponents,, khodorkovsky, look at the whole range of people who challenged putin and found themselves in a very bad place. >> that's correct. the editor of the russian newspaper, the most opposition -- >> rose: this is one gorbachev had some interest in for a sfwhil >> he owns 10%. four or five of its correspondents have been assassinated or killed. four or five. >> rose: by whom? >> here's the answer. >> the leadership of the newspaper, the editors of this newspaper do not believe for a minute putin i